"The Republicans can’t seem to understand their dishonesty was their downfall and the small groups can’t seem to comprehend that we are kept in small groups for a reason.
Just like the old grasshopper said, if we ever realize we out…"
"Now that we have proven that poorly done gets us nowhere, how about we go for the grand prize instead?
How about we start pushing for all of the groups out there to join in one fight and that fight is we go to the core of the problem?
We need to fix…"
"I've given a whole lot more than one liners. I've practically written a whole book. How much of it have you paid attention to (my guess is it hasn't even been forwarded to you as I have written it in order for you to have a chance to…"
"Sam Adams is soda pop compared to the brew I usually drink.
I watched a video you posted and after that a link showed up of Maher. I clicked on it and I had the ETF backgound still there. It wasn't until after I wrote the first comment that I…"
"Talk about drivel. Remember... anything you want to do under MPE can be the same as under the system of exploitation, with the additional advantages of a) it costing less; b) it having a greater chance of succeeding (within the resultant…"
I applaud your holding back on Chelonia. I could feel your restraint starting to creak for a second there, but you held true to form. Don't waste your time on those from other Countries that don't understand…"
"Rainsberger, If you yourself could ascend above your own drivel, then you might be disposed not to talk stupidly or childishly.
Can you prove there is no solution to inflation and deflation? Multiplication of debt by interest? Can you disprove…"
"Between taxes and interest, about 4/5 of the income made is gone to the banks and to the bureaucrats who work for the banks and benefit most from this system of exploitation of the working class. What can you ask more of a citizen who makes a…"
"Here we have economists, with education and theories on money, and expecting that people will trust and believe in them because of their education when all they understand is the bullshit they’ve been taught about money and have absolutely no…"
"I have read what you have written. I have digested your thoughts, even as ill as they make me feel. You are an obvious socialist however I am not sure you recognize it. Worse off, I find it hard to believe that all the writings you have sent are…"
Talk about drivel. Remember... anything you want to do under MPE can be the same as under the system of exploitation, with the additional advantages of a) it costing less; b) it having a greater chance of succeeding (within the resultant environment); and c) with the potential to make far more money (because there's far more free money to be earned by deserving projects). There's at least one American who knows you have your head up your ass regarding "liberty"... and it's not just Thomas Jefferson, either. Try James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln.... But then again, its "End the Fed". They want to preserve banking. George Soros must be buying them donuts and coffee.
I applaud your holding back on Chelonia. I could feel your restraint starting to creak for a second there, but you held true to form. Don't waste your time on those from other Countries that don't understand true Liberty from an American point of view. Use your time with those whose votes mean something instead of being bated into wasting your time on what you so accurately termed 'drivel'.
Rainsberger, If you yourself could ascend above your own drivel, then you might be disposed not to talk stupidly or childishly.
Can you prove there is no solution to inflation and deflation? Multiplication of debt by interest? Can you disprove anything?
If you could, I presume you would *show* how it is drivel, instead of condemning yourself to merely making the claim.
We don’t need to solve inflation and deflation, systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money or property, or inherent multiplication of debt by interest?
Download the math; refute the math. If you know what you’re saying, why do you need a “cagematchdebates” site to speak for you? Is it a foregone conclusion that you would prevail?
Trolls are trolls. They don’t come here to learn. They don’t come to debate. They come to call names, because that’s all they have; and because there’s so many of them, it’s no wonder the country is fallen to what it has.
You are part of the solution? You’re part of the necessary vision?
No. You’re the very core of the destruction of this country
Between taxes and interest, about 4/5 of the income made is gone to the banks and to the bureaucrats who work for the banks and benefit most from this system of exploitation of the working class. What can you ask more of a citizen who makes a $100,000 a year? Is that person NOT working hard enough to survive? Is it his fault that he will never be wealthy? What is this garbage this “Rainsberger” guy is talking about putting the blame on the people instead of the banks and presenting the problem as it is a result of the natural order and destiny of the human family to struggle in order to survive? God that reminds me of the Oligarchy’s reasoning in the medieval times that the poor should learn how to take advantage of their poverty! This guy is clearly working against the people and for the banks. Why is he protecting the usury system which is against our laws, our belief systems, and our decent nature for the benefit of the banks and against the people? How could he continue to claim that he is only protecting the liberty of the individuals in our nation? How could that be when the lenders of money (the money changers) are less than 1% of the population and the borrowers of the money are the vast majority of the population over 99% of the population? Apparently he must be one of the 1% or working for them to feel the sympathy for the trivial minority in our society, yet fail to have any sympathy for 99% majority! Otherwise, he must be a total IDIOT that does not know that he is cutting his nose to spite his face!
What we are after is defending the interest of the 99% of the population, NOT the interest of the 1% Oligarchy which is the laziest, least productive segment of our society, yet this IDIOT is talking about hard work and earning it as the way to go! He should be preaching his work ethics to the 1% who never works one day in their life, yet they own more than 40% of the total wealth on this planet! Isn’t that outrageous? We are not talking about Bill Gates here; we are talking about the Rothschilds, Lehman Brothers, the Rockefellers, and the total parasitic society that lives off money, NOT productivity. The society that never produces one single good or service to the population. The only commodity they know of is MONEY!
Now because we are defending the interest of the 99% of our people, we are communists and our model is totalitarian, “Harold Rainsberger” continues to propagate! We want to concentrate the power in the hands of the government, not the private sector! Let’s examine what the hell is that:
A government? We are not talking about the current government…the treasonous one. We are talking about a government that is of the people…by the people… and for the people. Then YES we want to concentrate the power in the hands of that government…simple and clear!
Private hands? What is that supposed to mean? If we are talking about the private Oligarchy less than 1% of the population, then YES again we are against the private sector, but if we are talking about the 99% of the population as being the private sector which in this case is represented by the good government, then YES we are for both the government and the private sector because they mean the same! I hate it when evil propagandists mix things up at the definitions level that people lose sense of what they are talking about. This is exactly what this sly liar “CHarold Rainsberger” guy has been doing: mixing definitions up, twisting facts, and making blatant lies!
Let’s make CLEAR that we are working for the interest of 99% of the population. Call that whatever the hell you want to call it. Call it the government because IT IS when the government works for the people, or call it the private sector, because IT IS when the good government protects its interest—the interest of the private sector which constitutes the vast majority of the population—99%.
So really we are not going to be trapped in semantics here. This is an evil word game that has been used against us like the “terrorist” propaganda game. Who is the terrorist? It is the one who terrorizes others regardless of who the subject and the object are. Right? If the subject happens to be them, then they are the terrorists; if the subject happens to be us, then we are the terrorists. There are no hinges to revolve the definition. We can not have it both ways in our interest. This is the kind of logic “Harold Rainsberger” wants us to follow. Twist, lie, and confuse. BEWARE!
Here we have economists, with education and theories on money, and expecting that people will trust and believe in them because of their education when all they understand is the bullshit they’ve been taught about money and have absolutely no clue or understanding of the trade and production we need it to facilitate, without which America ceases to exist, and will very shortly if we don’t get this right. They think that more money = less value, and that restricting our trade to scarce and finite commodities will ensure that the money maintains value, irregardless of the fact that they are willing to tolerate Banking and money as a business in which case the money will have value but will be saved out of circulation within a month shutting down our trade and production completely.
This is what you nit wits need to understand !. I own and operate and engineering / manufacturing business. If you come to me and want me to manufacture one of a particular item for you, the price on that item for the sake of argument will be $ 5,000.00. If you line up 100 other people who need and can afford to buy the same thing, i can use the same machine set ups to make the same parts 100 times over and then the price for each of you will be down to $ 500.00. In the first instance, $ 5,000.00 had to be created or appear from someplace in order to pay for the one item, so each one of those $ 5,000.00 had very little value or purchasing power. In the second case $ 50,000.00 had to be created or appear from someplace, but each one of those dollars had 10 X the purchasing power of the original $ 5,000.00. If my market expands to one million people who need the same item, then i can afford to build dedicated production tooling and look at automation of the process, in which case i’ll most likely be able to produce the same item for $ 50.00 a pop. In this case, $ 50,000,000.00 will have to be created or come from someplace to buy the million items, but the value of each of those dollars will be 100 times what they were with the original $ 5,000.00, and the money will simply keep increasing in value until my production capacity is actually exceeded, which with today’s level of technology would be next to impossible.
So much for every single ounce of all of this stupid economic theory and religion that people are being asked to trust and believe in on here. This is the real world that we live in people, and we are fully capable of creating a standard of living 30 times what it has ever been in the past, provided that we do not remain so incredibly stupid as to believe that money can be a business and facilitate trade, and create it for ourselves as a public service so we can actually make it do that. We have only one problem, and that is this bigass huge parasitic infection called Banks, who don’t build anything, fix anything or feed anyone, who rape the population of its productive effort with the business of money, usurp control of our government from the people to whom it belongs in order to help them do this, and will finally turn America into the same f’ing socialist police state that they have turned the rest of the world into by now as well. If we leave things alone, this will happen in the next couple of years, if we listen to all these idiot Austrian theorists on here, it will happen within a couple of months, and if we think for ourselves, use our own minds, reason and common sense, and turn the matter over to the people who actually live and work in the real world and understand the single and only useful function we need money for then it will never happen.
“We hold these truths to be self evident” and anything which exists on the basis of faith and trust and cannot be demonstrated through practical example to provide function is guaranteed to be a lie. Something which time and time again they have all failed to do miserably.
Shit I forgot. I´m discussing things with Austrians. Keep the sentences short, rooted in myth and faith, and as thus wholly indefensible or indescribable. “We need small government, let free markets be free, don’t you love liberty and freedom, we need to take our country back!” Stuff like that is what Paulians respond to. I bother with all of these ‘details’ about ‘how things actually work’ and it sets off their ‘liberal educated elite’ sensors – causing the thinking portion of the brain to shut down.
We the people object to an Austrian individualistic anarchist-capitalist society without a state and where the money represents gold (for example). Such society cannot long continue to function on that basis. There will soon come a concentration of power in which a small group of powerful individuals (oligarchs) take all the power because they have more gold than the rest.
A private bank or a George Soros will become the actual power of a state and build a private army to protect its interests. This will lead to a power struggle among the oligarchs until a few of them are in control. There is nothing to prevent this because all individuals with less capital and less power will be employed by the oligarchs out of self-interest, or develop criminal activities out of frustration and needs.
Ultimately, you will have a feudal society. And ultimately this will change into a different form of society. Ideal societys do not exist and people will always try to do things out of self-interest, and there will always be people who fight for power and control.
Mathematically Perfected Economy solves an important and very critical issue, because OUR money (the people´s currency) as a loan is accessible for everyone (who complies with our democratic chosen conditions) WITHOUT INTEREST. If he / she is creditworthy and with the product/property securing the loan (our labour and produc(tion) loans are simply issued with NO INTEREST attached.
This will push the capital oligarchs (austrian´s, bankers, and such) out of the game, and they cannot impose no longer their will by just having capital, and therefore gain unlawful and undeserved (usury) profits, because that capital (our true currency) is now available FREE OF INTEREST.
Loans are retired out of circulation in a timely based manner as per consumtion/depreciation of the product/property where the loan was applied for, and the money is destroyed/deleted from the system.
No inflation, or deflation. And most of all: no terminal failure!!!
This preventive approach will also be a major shift in which everyone has equal opportunities with a much broader social base in which crime out of frustration will largely disappear.
This is the only solution. If we accept anything less we will fail (again)!
If you eliminate the interest and the banking system, then money is no longer a commodity that is worth anything in itself. Even gold is worth nothing more than its industrial use just like any other metal or raw material. When we treat money as mere abstract means for trade and commerce, then money is just the equivalent of the barter system which you and I like to see dominate. As for the social injustice and the discriminatory reward system we currently have when we place more value (time/money) value, this will continue with and without money. It is our attitudes that need to change just like our attitudes which needed to change towards slavery. Just because you could kick out all Black out of our nation does not mean that we no longer believe in and practice slavery! Had that happened, we still would have invented ways to practice slavery with another race we consider inferior to us. So even if we get rid of money altogether without fixing our rotting caste sociopolitical system, 100% barter system would not do it either. Money should be no more than an abstract way to facilitate the barter system. This is how things used to be and this is how things should revert back to. As for the majority of the people believing and understanding what the real function of money is, we are far from achieving this important goal in the near future as we have forgotten the real purpose of money. Just like we forgot the real purpose of sex and mistreated women as a commodity for commercial ends instead of treating them as mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters. Is the solution to kill all women so that we no longer have to abuse women? It would be absurd to follow that course to solve the problem.
And again we should all just respond to every dimwit who hasn’t made the least effort to understand what he responds to. This guy must be lonely or something. Send him a kiss or a box of chocolate — wrapped in gold aluminum foil or something. Now that would be a sweet currrency. Every woman in the world would rush to us. Then we could have aluminum can beer currency. You could get a heat on, and “the backing” would still be worth a beer or something. I bet that would drag in most of the dudes. Now there you have it. That’s a plan — sounds like all these guys participating in the austrian school solution. Zarlenga might have one oar in the water. Austrian´s lost their boat.